i'm aware of ed dunlap from coc - but who else of the upper echelon?
Ok Joy you got me. I can't believe anyone actually fell for that. I was trying to make a point, but I guess I have to be less cryptic next time...
Minimus, you're the one that asks all the questions around here, not me.
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i'm aware of ed dunlap from coc - but who else of the upper echelon?
So now we have anonymous people "vouching" for other anonymous people... I'm convinced!
Seriously, if these higher-ups have left the org, why are they hiding in the shadows? Yes coming forward may have consequences, but then again, I believe there is a principle, to those whom much has been given, much will be demanded. If I were an ex-Bethel heavy, for example, I think I would feel more remorse over how my actions as part of such a corrupt organization affected others, more so than Joe 10 hrs/mo Publisher.
I'm just saying, is all...
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i'm aware of ed dunlap from coc - but who else of the upper echelon?
Ok Marvin, now that you have vouched for Maximus, guess what my next question is going to be....
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on another thread ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/86931/2.ashx ) i saw these comments:.
think again, the kingdom halls are paid for by the local witnesses, and when its paid off, its donated back to the wt society, what an elaborate scheme!!!
when the construction is finished the congo finally has it's own kh, right?
Marvin,
Thanks for the information you provided. Interesting that it took them until 2000 to make this a policy. And again, it doesn't look like th e Society would get the deed to the Hall until the local corporation was insolvent.
IP_SEC I'm not sure I follow your math. Why would the congregation give the money from the sale of the old hall, or the money they raise, to the Society? To use your example:
Cost to build new hall : $180,000 ( You didn't include this amount in your example, its hard to do any calculating without it.)
Old hall sale $50,000.00
Collections $10,000.00
Loan $120,000.00 7 years at 2%
Total interest $8695.00
So the Society has made $8965, yes, but 2% return, while relatively risk-free in this case, is not exactly a lucrative income. Do they even charge 2%? I'm sure there are better investments out there.
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i'm aware of ed dunlap from coc - but who else of the upper echelon?
Does anybody here really know who Maximus was? I know allegedly he was a District Overseer...
I don't know that I'd call D.O. a 'high level' JW rank, more of a middle manager type.
I myself was a former Gilead Instructor, and I was responsible for the Awake! crossword puzzles...
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as i was returning home yesterday, i noticed an elderly lady sitting at a card table next to the security line.
immidiately, her "my book of bible stories" jumped out at me.
her table was covered with printed propaganda.
jeannie
My point, and my view, is that no group that advocates breaking up families, letting children die rather than give them a needed blood transfusion, hide pedofiles, and scar their people to the point that they cannot function within society to their full potential have no business on government property. This is not limited to JW's but *any* group which does not act in their own peoples best interests.
And who decides which of these groups are 'ok' and which are not 'ok'??
See jeannie, the great thing about living in a relatively 'free' society, is that people are totally free to do stupid things, like come up with crazy religions. It's not a perfect system, but its better than most of the alternatives. (My favorite would be a worldwide government ruled by a iron-fisted, yet benevolent, dictator, preferably myself.)
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on another thread ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/86931/2.ashx ) i saw these comments:.
think again, the kingdom halls are paid for by the local witnesses, and when its paid off, its donated back to the wt society, what an elaborate scheme!!!
when the construction is finished the congo finally has it's own kh, right?
On another thread ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/86931/2.ashx ) I saw these comments:
think again, the kingdom halls are paid for by the local witnesses, and when its paid off, its donated back to the WT Society, What an elaborate scheme!!!
When the construction is finished the congo finally has it's own KH, right? Wrong. They have to cede it to the WTS.
This seems to be a common perception, at least among xJWs. However what I want to know is, is there any truth to it? In my experience here in the U.S., each congregation forms a legal corporation for the main purpose of holding property, i.e. the local Kingdom Hall. Furthermore, each time I have heard about a Hall being sold, I have never anything said about involving the Society, which I would think would be the case if the Society did in fact own the Kingdom Hall.
Also, I would think the legal liability to the Society would far outweigh any financial advantage, especially when they are trying to distance themselves as far as they can legally from the individual congregations.
And yes, I have heard about the congregation in Texas back in the 80's that 'seceded' from the Borg and took the Hall with them. I think though, that their response to this was to make sure they were listed as lienholders on as many Kingdom Halls as possible.
So I think their real aim is to keep as many Halls in perpetual debt to the Society, owned by the local congregations, but not completely paid for.
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/1.ashx
i loooove this simple 607 bce explanation by alleymom.
(thank you if you are reading.
I am right about this dude. He is seriously in denial. You should take a look at some of the debates him and AlanF have had in the past.. it was the final nail in the coffin for me leaving the WTBTS. Poor guy.
You hear that Scholar? You were instrumental in helping GetBusyLiving to realize the truth about the TROOF!!! I am so envious of you, I have yet to help anyone break free from the Watchtower's clutches.
I salute you, Scholar!
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after seeing all the new people from wisconsin today i decided to come out of my lurker mode.
i have been practically obsessed with this board since i discovered it, and i give everyone here credit for helping my husband and i leave the borg.
i had been in 11 years, and my husband 27 years, along with our 3 small children.
Welcome TooOpinionated!
and a hello from over here in Minnesota!
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/1.ashx
i loooove this simple 607 bce explanation by alleymom.
(thank you if you are reading.
Short answer: They don't even try anymore...
This was the topic I started researching when I decided it was time to get off the fence re being a dub. I started by re-reading the appendix to chapter 14 in the Kingdom book, first printed in 1981. A careful reading will reveal that even the Society admits that all the weight of archeology points to 586/7 as the correct date. So they fall back on their misinterpretation of the scripture in Jeremiah about the 70 years and the old "we rely on the Bible over mans dates", evern though nothing in the Bible supports 607.
Well that book is over 20 years old. Surely if any new archeological evidence has been discovered since then that would support the 607 date, it would be a front-page Awake! article, at least. But there has been very little said on the topic, which leads me to suspect there has been no such find.
So then I took my questions to an elder, very smart guy, works for IBM, who claimed he had some secular evidence supporting 607. After calling his bluff, I finally pinned him down at the Hall, where he admitted he had no such evidence. As we are standing there after the meeting, people milling around, he very quietly concedes there is no real secular support. But he rationalized to himself that since this system cannot possibly continue much longer(in his mind, anyway), he needs to believe in the Society's promises.
So that was kinda the end of my 'research' phase...
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